Curse

sybban · May 25, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

depends where you bought it, yes at certain stores you can despite what they say. Sam goody takes games back and resells them

Odd Sock · May 26, 2005, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by chalt2

If that wasn't its intent then why even post it?

It was personal and inflamatory, what OTHER possible intent could there have been?

Once again unable to bring an argument to the other portion of what I said. That's exaclty why I put my comment up there and if you took is a flame bait then go ahead and have fun with it. Until you can produce a half-decent point and not just emphasize or glorify the arguments of someone who shares your opinion maybe you should visit other less serious forums.

chalt2 · May 26, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

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Originally Posted by Odd Sock

Once again unable to bring an argument to the other portion of what I said. That's exaclty why I put my comment up there and if you took is a flame bait then go ahead and have fun with it. Until you can produce a half-decent point and not just emphasize or glorify the arguments of someone who shares your opinion maybe you should visit other less serious forums.

To argue what point?

That you feel that I am unable to make a point on or off topic within the threads?

OK I say I do, you say I don't, ok now what?

Have you read EVERY post that I have made, all 100 plus of them?

If you have great! if you haven't then the only point of your post was to flame. Either way this is WAY off topic and this is not the thread for it, but if you feel as strongly about this as you come off, maybe you should start a thread about my inability to post a coherent point.

Redfang · May 26, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

The only thing I agree with in the OP is the first sentence of the last paragraph.

Loviatar · May 26, 2005, 12:54 AM // 00:54

if you are so unhappy with it why are you still here posting instead of playing a game you enjoy?

under the present circumstances it looks as though your only purpose here now is to bad mouth the game.

Mountain Man · May 26, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by NiknudStunod

IYou don't need to get 2 teams together to try and prove it. If 2 teams have the same skill the team with the better equipment is going to win. The extra health, damage and healing will win out in the end.

Like I said, that's the theory, but is this actually happening in game? Also, how do you account for the inherent advantage "grinders" have simply because they are more practiced having spent literally hours upon hours honing their technique?

NiknudStunod · May 26, 2005, 01:29 AM // 01:29

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Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Like I said, that's the theory, but is this actually happening in game? Also, how do you account for the inherent advantage "grinders" have simply because they are more practiced having spent literally hours upon hours honing their technique?

Try to understand what I am saying.

2 teams of the same skill

1 team grinding for skills and runes

other team didn't

Now considering they are both at the same skill level who is going to win? It will be the team that has the bonus to health/damage/spells.

As to the reason why I am still posting here, it is because I still have hope that the devs will make the change so everyone can be on equal ground. I fell in love with this game in BWE and couldn't say enough good things about this game and the potential this game has is awesome when it comes to providing a place for both pve and pvp players. A lot of people view me as a bad person for this forum because I disagree with a single aspect of this game. I am not going anywhere until it becomes clear that the change I want will never go in.

Me

Hawkeyes · May 26, 2005, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by NiknudStunod

Try to understand what I am saying.

2 teams of the same skill

1 team grinding for skills and runes

other team didn't

Now considering they are both at the same skill level who is going to win? It will be the team that has the bonus to health/damage/spells.

As to the reason why I am still posting here, it is because I still have hope that the devs will make the change so everyone can be on equal ground. I fell in love with this game in BWE and couldn't say enough good things about this game and the potential this game has is awesome when it comes to providing a place for both pve and pvp players. A lot of people view me as a bad person for this forum because I disagree with a single aspect of this game. I am not going anywhere until it becomes clear that the change I want will never go in.

Me

And the world is a perfect place....

As I mentioned before, you can not please everyone all of the time. Anyways, the situation that you gave probably will not exist, ever. Guilds and teams will be made up of all different types of people and teams. If a Guild grinds for skills and runes and they are the top PvPr's then good on them, so what. I personally don't feel it's a grind and enjoy the game as it is. Do I think it's perfect? I surely do not. In fact I think they have lots to improve on. Is the game fun and enjoyable? Hell ya.

If someone thinks your bad person just because you disagree with them then they have other issues. This is a discussion forum and people should be free to express what ever opinion they wish. As for changes and sticking around, you should be here for a while since there is always hope.

Hawkeyes Ravenloft

Celes Tial · May 26, 2005, 01:45 PM // 13:45

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Originally Posted by Valin

If he doesn't like it all the power to him. I can't stand GTA but everyone else in the world seems to love it. Do I deserve to get flamed if I asked the resident GTA experts how I can get my money back? Of course not! If anyone would know they would.

But would you go to a GTA fan site and post that GTA sucks, that you demand such and such change so YOU will like it afterwards (nevermind the satisfied buyers), and that you want your money back?

Would you call the pizza service and ask to return your half-eaten pizza and to get a refund because you didnt like the taste after all?

Pretty silly, isnt it...

DeLucky · May 26, 2005, 02:25 PM // 14:25

[QUOTE=Mav]Out of that time period I'd say I've played maybe 5 days, several hours each day, and "beaten" the game. QUOTE]

You have "beaten" the game? How do you "beat" GW? I don't think you get the gist of the game. Did you do it all by yourself? Did you explore all the areas? Did you play multiplayer PvE? Did you play other character combinations or just the first one you created.

I like a lot of the other posts and wont push any more new ideas suffice it to say I hope you don't get your money back. You played, you enjoyed (I assume), you didn't get it, now you want out. Sorry, mate, it doesn't work that way. If I got my money back for all the games I only played once or for just a few weeks I would never have to buy a new game again. I'd just buy, play, return, repeat.

Odd Sock · May 26, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Well what you could do is sell your account to a friend. He can then change the password and personnal info. Then he could do whatever he wants with it (ie delete your characters and start over). You could also try doing that on E-Bay but you'd have to put up some sort of disclamer/legal blabber like Sigil sellers do.

Mountain Man · May 26, 2005, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by NiknudStunod

Try to understand what I am saying.

2 teams of the same skill

1 team grinding for skills and runes

other team didn't

Now considering they are both at the same skill level who is going to win? It will be the team that has the bonus to health/damage/spells.

I understand exactly what you're saying, but your example is purely hypothetical. What I'm asking, does your hypothetical situation correspond with reality? Do "grinders" have an advantage only because of the items they've unlocked, or is it because they are simply better players?